‘Real police don’t support gun control’

February 8, 2013 § 2 Comments



WOW, LOOK AT those police chiefs flanking Obama in the photo ops in support of gun control. Look at Kelly in NYC and McCarthy in Chicago, Johnson in Baltimore — they support various gun control measures, like a ban on an ill-defined category of guns known as “assault weapons.” These chiefs are the “authorities,” so we should believe them. Right?

Well….. no.

One commentor to Second City Cop put it this way:

These political hacks who are appointed to their positions DO NOT represent the police brotherhood.

I don’t understand how these chiefs of police can get away with this sort of talk when it is totally opposite of the oath of office they swore to uphold. Same with any elected official. They all swore on a bible to uphold and defend the constitution, yet they all seem to be doing whatever they can to go against it. Isn’t that a punishable offense?

There are lots more such comments where those came from. We gathered a bunch from just the last several days of posts at SCC.

First, a few notes to get out of the way:

– Most of these commenters identify themselves as police or military, but we cannot verify who they are.  (If you really need certainty about that, try asking the NSA — chances are they’ll know!)

– We’ve edited some comments, and any boldface emphasis is ours.

– Our own comments within the comments look [* like this].

– Salty language has been left intact, so if saltiness offends your tastes, stop reading now. In this case, we think the language is a totally appropriate response to the far greater obscenities and insanities issuing from City Hall, Springfield and Washington.

Lastly: Our use of an outside site does not imply endorsement of all posts or comments therein. (Duh? But sometimes, you need to make those things clear.)

noone90210 said…

If the “Jane Byrne” 1982 and the Brady laws can’t stop criminals, then nothing else humanly can….

1/28/2013 11:09:00 AM
Anonymous said…
How about actually enforcing UUW’s by felons,Gun related offenses, and straw purchasers to the fullest extent of the law. No more plea bargains, suspended sentences, early releases…That is the only thing that will work. All these other BS measures protect the criminals, and punish good civilians that follow the laws. Eat a bag of shit McBoughtandPaidfor! Epic failure & not the position of his officers as usual.

1/28/2013 12:20:00 PM
Anonymous said…
Every banger and criminal have to be laughing there ass off at all this gun control crap! WHAT A JOKE

1/28/2013 01:54:00 PM
Anonymous said…
The only thing an assault weapons ban does is cost tax payers money. Lets assume that every gangster upon hearing that springfield passed this great new assault weapons ban will just go to the nearest police station and hand over thier rifles and all the high capacity mags and clips. Please! One thing for sure is that law makers are law makers and they know nothing about the streets. The majority of homicides happen with handguns where only 4 to 5 rounds are fired.

1/28/2013 02:07:00 PM
If armed civil disobedience does begin to start P/O’s have got to make decisions on wheather to listen or obey orders to take weapons from citizens {which is against fed law and the constitution} and most of all fear for the saftey of their families. Most legit gun owners are law abiding people, but these [politicians} have got this country in quite a pissed off state.I worry about my family first then sort it out from there.

1/28/2013 02:38:00 AM
What’s going on this country is very, very scary. I think the hysteria about guns is going to draw a very serious line in the sand for law abiding, gun owners. I will never confiscate guns from law abiding citizens for this city or this country. This isn’t about the children, it’s about control. If you look at the history of other countries, when citizens give up their guns, bad things happen to the citizens.

1/28/2013 04:53:00 AM
Gun Control!! The liberal mantra, something easy to harp on when you dont have the courage to address the real problems. This is not to say there should be some tightening of gun sales , transfers and maybe some types of weapons ( 50 cal sniper rifles for instance). [* JL: Really? And how many street crimes or public mass shootings in recent memory have been committed with .50 cal sniper rifles? We’ll guess: zero?] But, after 35 years on the job, I retired and moved to the burbs. I never come into the city without my pistol for I know what can happen to any citizen and the police cannot prevent it. In the burbs, I never used to carry a weapon, but I can tell you things are changing and I have now started to do just that. Call me paranoid if you want, I just do not want to be a victim. No concealed carry for Illinois citizens? Then start by banning all political bodyguards, make it illegal to hire an armed bodyguard for the rich and connected, stop all phony ” security guard” carry by the connected, no part time badges handed out by sheriffs and cities to the connected. In other words, make everybody the same when it comes to this. But, you know that will not happen. The liberal democrats just do not have the balls to address tthe real problems and tell it like it is. Cowards all of them. But, lets face it, wealthy cowards thanks to their govt. service.

1/28/2013 08:59:00 AM
Anonymous said…
Has anyone ever called their state legislators out for the broad cuts they have made to mental health care in this country? Has anyone called their legislators out for the early release programs for violent offenders? Has anyone called out its chief judges or the oversight group responsible for the judges for the lenient sentences being handed out for violent crimes? Has anyone called out ICE for the amount of Illegals here that commit violent crimes against citizens of this country? Has anyone called out their local police department, mayor or city council to question why their police force has been reduced by 20-30% when crime is spiraling out of control? Ladies and gentleman politicians have been called out on every one of these issues and have done nothing to correct the violence that is perpetrated on the citizens each and every day. What we are seeing here is a complete reversal of the justice system model. There is no more accountability for your actions if you are a criminal. Only 9% of murderers in Chicago are ever arrested, down 71% from just over 10 years ago. [* JL: ???] This is a systematic effort starting with the white house to bring the country we once knew to its knees. Oh and one more thing. We want all the lawful gun owners to turn in your guns to the government like good little boys and girls, all criminals you will be allowed to keep your illegal weapons because you never registered them. Too many sheep that trust the wolf more than they trust the sheep dog. Go sleep with the wolf and defend the policies his protectors make, just prepare to defend yourself with your hands  … because that is all the wolves handlers are allowing you in this fight.

1/28/2013 09:23:00 AM

Howard R. Toliver Metra PD. said…
The sad thing is that these laws are not going to affect the the thug, gangbanger or other miscreants. They’re going to continue to get “their” weapons no matter the cost. Who this is going to hurt are the law abiding responsible gun ownwers across the country. Better not sit on the fence on this one. This time it’s ALL OUR ASSES on the line!!! Police & civilian alike…

1/28/2013 10:09:00 AM
Anonymous said…
you really ctn’t blame Obama and his crew because they really don’t have a clue as to how to deal with this epedemic of gun violence. The problem lies in the minds of these brainless retards who get their jollies off firing a weapon at another person and seeing that person fall dead or wounded. [* JL: Just like their first-person-shooter video games train them to do.] And who is firing assault weapons ? Nobody. The weapon of choice is a handgun. And if and when the Police shoots one these retards then certain lawyers crawl from under a rock and pursuades the retards family to sue the officer and the city and they usually win because the city is too chickens**t to defend the officers actions. Sad to say it ain’t gonna stop. Go after the law abiding gun owner ’cause we can beat him down, the retards don’t give a damm because they have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel already. … those in charge really don’t care and are simply putting up a smokescreen attempting to appear that the gun related loss of life is being intelligently adressed, with the word “intelligently” being questionable.

1/28/2013 12:52:00 PM
Anonymous said…
Way to go Vermont gun club. [ * JL: referring to the Vermont club that bans cops from its gun range if their chiefs support citizen disarmament.] Any police officer that attempts to “enforce” these idiot politician laws and restrict an otherwise honest, law abiding citizen’s constitutional right needs to be tared & feathered then pushed of a cliff in a yugo. Sorry brothers & sisters in blue but I’m not giving up my guns so I’m begging you with tears in my eyes, don’t ask me too. FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS….

1/28/2013 12:21:00 AM
I can guarantee you 90% of law enforcement will not enforce that unlawfull order. Most Police officers are good guys and know who the good civilians are. They know right from wrong because they have been deciphering it everyday since they came on the job. Police officers know the foolish politicians are driving their agenda’s through without thinking of the consequences. Police officers know criminals will always have guns and will use them unlawfully.

1/28/2013 01:22:00 PM
Anonymous said…
Rtd po when I worked the street I knew the differance between the law and common sense and always put common sense first. From what Im reading on the post a lot of po,s still have common sense and thats a good thing.

1/28/2013 01:24:00 PM
Hey SCC – your prez wants your help in passing gun control laws: http://news.yahoo.com/obama-asks-police-help-pass-183056466.html?_sr=1

Actually – he wants Congress to hear from (politically appointed) police chiefs. Hope you and yours can let Congress know that real police don’t support gun control.

1/28/2013 01:34:00 PM
Anonymous said…
Why is it that the Political Elites can always have something that the rest of us are not welcome to have? Why the hypocrisy? Why the deception?
Thugs, drug dealers, and Gang-Bangers roam freely in Chicago with all sorts of Guns, but a law-abiding person in a low-income or bad neighborhood who is not a criminal has no right to be armed with a gun to protect themselves? Sounds like Dictatorship to me.

1/28/2013 02:00:00 PM
As a LEO I shudder to think of a time when confiscation comes to fruition. I will never take action upon a law abiding citizen only because he owns a firearm…

1/28/2013 04:37:00 PM
[* JL: One anon commentor, in response to a previous panicked-sounding comment about an ammunition shortage at local stores, gives a few paragraphs of apparent tips on DIY ammo reloading, then concludes:]

Younguns have NO IDEA. There is so much shit stockpiled out here, has been for so many years, that the real question is not “Where do we get more,” but merely “What will be the tripwire event to make people haul it all out again?”

1/28/2013 06:56:00 PM
I served a year in Iraq and every house there, during the insurgency, was allowed to have one fully automatic AK47 per adult male. Soldiers could not take them away. They were there to protect the family and we respected it.

What the fuck is wrong with this country that we can not have a constitutionally guaranteed right protected without some socialist scum trying to take it away?

Join the Oath Keepers and the NRA. <[* JL: GOA if you prefer a no-compromise organization and if you want to keep the pressure on NRA.] Because this is not a joke any more. They are trying to destroy this country by making good citizens criminals. It might be time to take up arms again and clean this mess up from the criminals who have taken over.

1/28/2013 07:24:00 PM
P.O. Randy Stevens, 018 District said…

Yes, sadly, The Dictatorship is already here. It has been growing in small increments, year by year, for the past 80 years, and it’s only going to get worse. If you want guns and ammo, buy it now, because soon it will all be virtually outlawed. The clueless, dim-witted politicians, surrounded by their well-armed police details, will do everything they can to disarm the law-abiding citizens and put them at the receiving end of a criminal’s gun. Stock up on guns and ammo now … martial law and anarchy are right around the corner. And yes, Rahm Emanuel will love every minute of your suffering: “never let a good crisis go to waste.”
[* JL: Which might well have been the motto of every evil tyrant and demagogue in human history.]

1/28/2013 07:31:00 PM
Anonymous said…
the real issue is human behavior.the libs can t control the animals,so lets divert attention to the law abiding citizens.stop being PC And let address the REAL issues.broken families,no love,no respect for anything or anyone and glorification of gun violence in movies/tv/music videos and games.

1/28/2013 11:32:00 PM
I work days in 009. I tell all my non police friend to pack their pistols at home and when our and about.

1/27/2013 05:51:00 AM
P.O. Randy Stevens, 018 District said…
Four days ago I posted a comment stating the obvious to anyone who isn’t a complete idiot: that “reasonable gun control” is bullshit, and the end goal is an eventual ban on any American (outside of police) possessing any hangun at all. One reader criticized my comment as too “black-&-white,” but I have been vindicated yet again, by idiot San Diego Police Chief William Lansdowne, a traitor to America who should pack up and move to Communist China, a nation with a system of government he apparently prefers over our own.

ANY police chief who advocates “reasonable gun control” should be required to publicly be hooked up to a lie-detector machine, and then be asked if he (or she) favors the eventual disarming of the American people. Such “law enforcement” traitors are not worthy to call themselves Americans, nor to live in our once-Constitutional Republic.

Thomas Jefferson said long ago that if our American freedoms are destroyed it will never be the result of a foreign enemy, but will come from WITHIN, and he was so right: the cancer is coming from Socialist, left-wing politici. ans and their willing stooges, the dim-witted, anti-American, anti-Second Amendment police chiefs of most major American cities.

God help us!

1/29/2013 06:27:00 AM

If the police raided my house they might find a bunch of unregistered guns. Of course all of my guns aren’t in the same place and they’re not registered for my own reasons. Fuck registering all of your guns! WTF would you register anything other than your duty weapon and perhaps a little off duty ankle job and the M4 you bring to work? It’s nobody’s business but mine. In several other states you don’t even have to register your weapons. I don’t want the broken socialist government to know where my guns are and how many I have.

1/29/2013 09:18:00 PM
Sheriff Clarke [* of Milwaukee Co., who urged citizens to do the responsible thing — get armed and trained to protect themselves and their families] should be commended for speaking out and informing the citizenry that defending yourself is the only game in town.Police are stretched to thin to do their jobs effectivley. This is the only Law Enforcement official to stand up for the people in the midwest. As a retired p/o I salute you sir.


And now we’ll throw in a few comments from the original AP story about Sheriff Clarke, at Yahoo News. As of Feb. 7, the Yahoo printing of this story was displaying 4,639 comments, but we only had time to read a few — there must be many, many more pro-gun comments from cops and vets buried in there.


Cops… keep loaded guns at home, teach there wives and older children how to use them, know that they very seldom get there in time to intervene, carry guns to protect themselves – seldom have a chance to protect you, know that homicidal sociopaths walk among us know that violent criminals on PCP or bath salts take multiple rounds to stop AND…. guess what kind of rifle 95% of them have at home too? Hint: It has two 30 round STANDARD-SIZED magazines that comes in the box. HINT #2: Its not bolt-action, its not lever-action, its not pump-action. HINT #3: It’s the most popular rifle in America with well over 3 million in public circulation and responsible for <2% of gun violence….. DING! It’s the semi-automatic MSF (Modern Sporting Rifle) invented in 1958! AKA the scary looking black-rifle, the AR, the AK, the so-called-but-not-really assault rifle. TA-Dah.
MilVet, Monday, January 28, 2013

You know its funny… I work in Law Enforcement and I strongly encourage every law abiding citizen to take it upon them selves and get a firearm. I also strongly encourage proper training for that firearm and in my community I will take the time to train any one whos asks no charge. 98% of my coworkers feel the same way I do. Some how the gun grabbers have found the vocal few law enforcement officers who dont share this opinion and use it to claim “A large number of police support these actions.” Foot, Saturday, January 26, 2013


Again, the guys and girls in fancy suits decorated with stars, bars, gold braid, etc., who serve as extras in gun-grabbing politicians’ propaganda productions, are themselves politicians who’ve long been out of touch with what actually happens on the streets.

Except for the ones from the AP story at Yahoo, the above comments come from recent Second City Cop posts including:

Milwaukee Co. Sheriff tells citizens to get armed

Disarmament is the goal

Doublespeak and hypocrisy about “assault weapons”

And maybe one other post.

We recommend SCC for a ruthlessly realistic, unsentimental and politically incorrect take on the realities of human depravity, crime, politricks, and of course, guns.

If they are representative, the above comments should give lots of hope to Chicagoans. Frankly, many of us have had run-ins with cops having a bad day –or just plain bad cops. The ones exemplified in the above comments are the classic guardian/warrior types that a society needs: the type who are really looking out for their fellow citizens, in spite of bad laws and stupid, incompetent, and/or corrupt political management.


§ 2 Responses to ‘Real police don’t support gun control’

  • Alysia says:

    Thank you , u guys r my heros!
    When I see men/women who wear the uniform or badge stand up and speak out for the oath they swore to uphold and protect from all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC it gives me hope and as a citizen, a wife and mom of 3 boys it’s a very scary and serious time in history right now. Our beloved country and our very way of life is under attack and more people just like u guys need to stand up and help us citizens take our country and freedoms back. ATTENTION TO ALL POLICE OFFICERS AND ALL CONCERNED CITIZENS:!!!!!! There is a group of non-governmental people working in every town in every city working at the local,state and national level to fundamentally change everything we hold sacred in this country!! Educated yourselves it’s called the UN AGENDA 21 and it = TREASON !! U will be shocked….. God bless all the oath keepers and may God bless our raped and ravaged nation.

  • JayLib says:

    Thanks, Alysia. We’re not the heroes — we’re just reporting what they said.

    We’re looking at doing something on Agenda 21 soon.

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